Campaign Run in 2012?

So what's this I hear about Senator Gravel possibly running again in 2012? http://dailycaller.com/2010/12/09/gravel-considering-obama-primary-challenge-calls-for-new-911-investigation/

---Jaywin

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been writing my butt off - will try to post some of it

Glad  to see Mike and the rest haven't given up - sooner or later the price had to be paid - it may be a little later but the bill will come - believe me - it's coming

 

 

 “In the beginning there was nothing and the Lord said “Let there be light” and there was light …
There was still nothing, but at least you could see it.
 
man is an exponent of his basic needs - we are being led by the insecurist among the insecure - can't get into this further right now
 
 
this thing isn't pasting again  - much much more
 
so glad to see you're all still here
 

 

xxx

 

… I think the quality of life on this planet could best be described as - chaotic - that one single defining word due in large part to modern day globalization.
 
 Globalization and Globalism are very much recognized as the tools of the day for planetary survival. As no definition for globalism exists on my 2003 copy of Word.
a quick web search produced these definitions of it:
 
(1) ‘Globalism is said to have at least two different and opposing meanings, one being: ‘viewing the entire world as a proper sphere for one nation to project political influence, such as former President Bush did when he suggested that America would act as ‘policemen to the world’ (following 9/11).
 
(2) The second - ‘opposing’ - definition describes globalism as ‘the attitude or policy of placing the interests of the entire world above those of individual nations’.
 
(3) A third derivation of globalism states that self awareness as facilitated by massive Internet usage can evolve into a system of worldwide self rule.
 
As for globalization ...  ... the best ‘definition’ I have encountered to date reads as follows:
 
Question: What is the truest definition of globalization?
Answer: Princess Diana's death.
 
How come?
 
Because an English princess with an Egyptian boyfriend crashes in a French tunnel, riding in a German car with a Dutch engine, driven by a Belgian who was drunk on Scottish whisky, followed closely by Italian Paparazzi on Japanese motorcycles, treated by an American doctor using Brazilian medicines. This is sent to you by a Canadian via  technology that uses Taiwanese chips, Korean monitors, assembled by Bangladeshi workers in a Singapore plant, transported by Indian lorry drivers to Sicilian dockworkers and - trucked to you by immigrants of unknown origin,  
 
To put it succinctly, - capital investment at 78 rpm.’ And we’re still on page one.

Obama's brought the Gulag home to the mainland, at Quantico VA!

Thanks for the heads up Jaywin.

' Gravel, who somewhat famously read the Pentagon Papers into the congressional record, also praised WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange as a modern day Daniel Ellsberg. “The revelations of Wikileaks are not an endangerment to American troops in our far flung Empire, but they truly are an embarrassment to America’s political leadership today,” Gravel said.'

Forget Julian Assange... the hero is Bradley Manning who now Will Be Made to Sleep Naked Nightly ! As Mike points out!

The Obama Gulag is not just in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Quantanimo anymore... Obama's brought it home to the mainland, at Quantico VA!

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Times have changed. We are going to empower the American people. Let’s work together. I am tough. I’m not afraid. None of this politics as usual. -- Mike Gravel

 

rough coy

 

The globalist economy has only one basic formula: At any given time the cost of living for a fixed period of time, one year for example, is factored into ones expected longevity, i.e. 60 years, the resulting dollar figure is assigned as the dollar value required to maintain that standard of living. That money is then paid incrementally as a guaranteed annual income to every single person. Whether the cost of living index is based on a one year period or a one month period, or a weekly or daily period the same elements apply. I use the term Guaranteed Annual Income in lieu of money as better mediums of exchange exist, i.e. debit cards, chips, etc. However this form of GAI would need it own physical vehicle to help prevent its abuse. (That is to say, someone spending guaranteed income on non necessary items would be subject to refusal of service or other form of educational discipline.) The supply of this credit is distributed equally in global terms is based on renewable resources over population demands. Equally noteworthy is the ease of transition such a model can be integrated. A guaranteed annual income can be deducted (or in some cases added) from a persons payroll, the GAI would eliminate much redundancy in Federal, state or provincial social security schemes such as old age pension, disability pension, welfare or veteran pension as to pay for itself. It would be capable of cutting income tax by 30% to 40% Remember- this is a globalist formula - countries states or continents that subscribe to it do it to ensure the basics of life to all citizens. The cost of anything else stays with the financial medium currently associated with it.
Money is a medium of exchange based on the price of the necessities of life (x) projected longevity and given to every global member in appropriate installments.
 

What we have done here is made the global citizen the value at which the dollar is based on. I’m saying humans have the same value. No longer is our basic need unmet because someone tried to corner the gold market - or because the housing market collapsed, or a savings and loan company went under - by stating we all have something in common that gives us value. Why have we been conditioned to think that the only thing people have in common is they have the same amount of shit in them? Between globalization and globalism - the worlds primary tools for coping with the future - between those two - which is giving us credit and which isn’t?

going beyond rough copy

man is an exponent of his basic needs

 

we have t olook at ourselves that way - because that is what we are - will post some copy but - whatever - 60,000 + hours over 40 years - gotta do what you gotta do

still here

Can't get the stuff up I need  - it's not as bad as it looks - ok - tke care guys - see you

man is an exponent of his

man is an exponent of his basic needs - there is no one here that will deny that but we are led by crap - can't find ny rough drafts on that - but - it is so true - thank you for being here - it is such a load off - I will get thru this this - I will get to know you all

Rob

just don't have the time

not as rough as it looks - a bit of work - gotta keep at it - nothing new here - trying to keep up - man is an exponent of hhis basic needs - that's my economic basis - it doesn't change - will try to post when I can give something more palatable -  just a lil tough now - It's coming

GE pays no taxes?

Despite profits of $14.2 billion, General Electric not only paid no U.S. income tax, they got a $3.2 billion benefit.

If taxes were imposed that cost would be handed directly back to the consumer through 'increased production costs'

The top earners on this continent vehemently oppose anything to do with fairness/equity. Finding that fairness will be a long tedious process - as  long as there are stranglehold financial policies that are enforced at the point of a gun there will not be major change

 

People are not willing to die for money, but people are willing to kill for it, and it's all about the money.

Over time power can shift, and it will take time - or bloodshed, likely both, that's just the way business is done.

 

Insecurity/greed is a virus that will go on for some time, the thing is to create functional alternate programs and to keep them at the forefront, by implementing them a step at a time, - just changing American values is an uphill battle - the world is a much bigger nut to crack.

Society, Wealth, Inequality, Joseph E. Stiglitz

 

Americans have been watching protests against oppressive regimes that concentrate massive wealth in the hands of an elite few. Yet in our own democracy, 1 percent of the people take nearly a quarter of the nation’s income—an inequality even the wealthy will come to regret. It’s no use pretending that what has obviously happened has not in fact happened. The upper 1 percent of Americans are now taking in nearly a quarter of the nation’s income every year. In terms of wealth rather than income, the top 1 percent control 40 percent. Their lot in life has improved considerably. Twenty-five years ago, the corresponding figures were 12 percent and 33 percent. One response might be to celebrate the ingenuity and drive that brought good fortune to these people, and to contend that a rising tide lifts all boats. That response would be misguided. While the top 1 percent have seen their incomes rise 18 percent over the past decade, those in the middle have actually seen their incomes fall. For men with only high-school degrees, the decline has been precipitous—12 percent in the last quarter-century alone. All the growth in recent decades—and more—has gone to those at the top. In terms of income equality, America lags behind any country in the old, ossified Europe that President George W. Bush used to deride. Among our closest counterparts are Russia with its oligarchs and Iran. While many of the old centers of inequality in Latin America, such as Brazil, have been striving in recent years, rather successfully, to improve the plight of the poor and reduce gaps in income, America has allowed inequality to grow.

Economists long ago tried to justify the vast inequalities that seemed so troubling in the mid-19th century—inequalities that are but a pale shadow of what we are seeing in America today. The justification they came up with was called “marginal-productivity theory.” In a nutshell, this theory associated higher incomes with higher productivity and a greater contribution to society. It is a theory that has always been cherished by the rich. Evidence for its validity, however, remains thin. The corporate executives who helped bring on the recession of the past three years—whose contribution to our society, and to their own companies, has been massively negative—went on to receive large bonuses. In some cases, companies were so embarrassed about calling such rewards “performance bonuses” that they felt compelled to change the name to “retention bonuses” (even if the only thing being retained was bad performance). Those who have contributed great positive innovations to our society, from the pioneers of genetic understanding to the pioneers of the Information Age, have received a pittance compared with those responsible for the financial innovations that brought our global economy to the brink of ruin.

Some people look at income inequality and shrug their shoulders. So what if this person gains and that person loses? What matters, they argue, is not how the pie is divided but the size of the pie. That argument is fundamentally wrong. An economy in which most citizens are doing worse year after year—an economy like America’s—is not likely to do well over the long haul. There are several reasons for this.

First, growing inequality is the flip side of something else: shrinking opportunity. Whenever we diminish equality of opportunity, it means that we are not using some of our most valuable assets—our people—in the most productive way possible. Second, many of the distortions that lead to inequality—such as those associated with monopoly power and preferential tax treatment for special interests—undermine the efficiency of the economy. This new inequality goes on to create new distortions, undermining efficiency even further. To give just one example, far too many of our most talented young people, seeing the astronomical rewards, have gone into finance rather than into fields that would lead to a more productive and healthy economy.

Third, and perhaps most important, a modern economy requires “collective action”—it needs government to invest in infrastructure, education, and technology. The United States and the world have benefited greatly from government-sponsored research that led to the Internet, to advances in public health, and so on. But America has long suffered from an under-investment in infrastructure (look at the condition of our highways and bridges, our railroads and airports), in basic research, and in education at all levels. Further cutbacks in these areas lie ahead.

None of this should come as a surprise—it is simply what happens when a society’s wealth distribution becomes lopsided. The more divided a society becomes in terms of wealth, the more reluctant the wealthy become to spend money on common needs. The rich don’t need to rely on government for parks or education or medical care or personal security—they can buy all these things for themselves. In the process, they become more distant from ordinary people, losing whatever empathy they may once have had. They also worry about strong government—one that could use its powers to adjust the balance, take some of their wealth, and invest it for the common good. The top 1 percent may complain about the kind of government we have in America, but in truth they like it just fine: too gridlocked to re-distribute, too divided to do anything but lower taxes.

Economists are not sure how to fully explain the growing inequality in America. The ordinary dynamics of supply and demand have certainly played a role: laborsaving technologies have reduced the demand for many “good” middle-class, blue-collar jobs. Globalization has created a worldwide marketplace, pitting expensive unskilled workers in America against cheap unskilled workers overseas. Social changes have also played a role—for instance, the decline of unions, which once represented a third of American workers and now represent about 12 percent.

But one big part of the reason we have so much inequality is that the top 1 percent want it that way. The most obvious example involves tax policy. Lowering tax rates on capital gains, which is how the rich receive a large portion of their income, has given the wealthiest Americans close to a free ride. Monopolies and near monopolies have always been a source of economic power—from John D. Rockefeller at the beginning of the last century to Bill Gates at the end. Lax enforcement of anti-trust laws, especially during Republican administrations, has been a godsend to the top 1 percent. Much of today’s inequality is due to manipulation of the financial system, enabled by changes in the rules that have been bought and paid for by the financial industry itself—one of its best investments ever. The government lent money to financial institutions at close to 0 percent interest and provided generous bailouts on favorable terms when all else failed. Regulators turned a blind eye to a lack of transparency and to conflicts of interest.

When you look at the sheer volume of wealth controlled by the top 1 percent in this country, it’s tempting to see our growing inequality as a quintessentially American achievement—we started way behind the pack, but now we’re doing inequality on a world-class level. And it looks as if we’ll be building on this achievement for years to come, because what made it possible is self-reinforcing. Wealth begets power, which begets more wealth. During the savings-and-loan scandal of the 1980s—a scandal whose dimensions, by today’s standards, seem almost quaint—the banker Charles Keating was asked by a congressional committee whether the $1.5 million he had spread among a few key elected officials could actually buy influence. “I certainly hope so,” he replied. The Supreme Court, in its recent Citizens United case, has enshrined the right of corporations to buy government, by removing limitations on campaign spending. The personal and the political are today in perfect alignment. Virtually all U.S. senators, and most of the representatives in the House, are members of the top 1 percent when they arrive, are kept in office by money from the top 1 percent, and know that if they serve the top 1 percent well they will be rewarded by the top 1 percent when they leave office. By and large, the key executive-branch policymakers on trade and economic policy also come from the top 1 percent. When pharmaceutical companies receive a trillion-dollar gift—through legislation prohibiting the government, the largest buyer of drugs, from bargaining over price—it should not come as cause for wonder. It should not make jaws drop that a tax bill cannot emerge from Congress unless big tax cuts are put in place for the wealthy. Given the power of the top 1 percent, this is the way you would expect the system to work.

America’s inequality distorts our society in every conceivable way. There is, for one thing, a well-documented lifestyle effect—people outside the top 1 percent increasingly live beyond their means. Trickle-down economics may be a chimera, but trickle-down behaviorism is very real. Inequality massively distorts our foreign policy. The top 1 percent rarely serve in the military—the reality is that the “all-volunteer” army does not pay enough to attract their sons and daughters, and patriotism goes only so far. Plus, the wealthiest class feels no pinch from higher taxes when the nation goes to war: borrowed money will pay for all that. Foreign policy, by definition, is about the balancing of national interests and national resources. With the top 1 percent in charge, and paying no price, the notion of balance and restraint goes out the window. There is no limit to the adventures we can undertake; corporations and contractors stand only to gain. The rules of economic globalization are likewise designed to benefit the rich: they encourage competition among countries for business, which drives down taxes on corporations, weakens health and environmental protections, and undermines what used to be viewed as the “core” labor rights, which include the right to collective bargaining. Imagine what the world might look like if the rules were designed instead to encourage competition among countries for workers. Governments would compete in providing economic security, low taxes on ordinary wage earners, good education, and a clean environment—things workers care about. But the top 1 percent don’t need to care.

Or, more accurately, they think they don’t. Of all the costs imposed on our society by the top 1 percent, perhaps the greatest is this: the erosion of our sense of identity, in which fair play, equality of opportunity, and a sense of community are so important. America has long prided itself on being a fair society, where everyone has an equal chance of getting ahead, but the statistics suggest otherwise: the chances of a poor citizen, or even a middle-class citizen, making it to the top in America are smaller than in many countries of Europe. The cards are stacked against them. It is this sense of an unjust system without opportunity that has given rise to the conflagrations in the Middle East: rising food prices and growing and persistent youth unemployment simply served as kindling. With youth unemployment in America at around 20 percent (and in some locations, and among some socio-demographic groups, at twice that); with one out of six Americans desiring a full-time job not able to get one; with one out of seven Americans on food stamps (and about the same number suffering from “food insecurity”)—given all this, there is ample evidence that something has blocked the vaunted “trickling down” from the top 1 percent to everyone else. All of this is having the predictable effect of creating alienation—voter turnout among those in their 20s in the last election stood at 21 percent, comparable to the unemployment rate

In recent weeks we have watched people taking to the streets by the millions to protest political, economic, and social conditions in the oppressive societies they inhabit. Governments have been toppled in Egypt and Tunisia. Protests have erupted in Libya, Yemen, and Bahrain. The ruling families elsewhere in the region look on nervously from their air-conditioned penthouses—will they be next? They are right to worry. These are societies where a minuscule fraction of the population—less than 1 percent—controls the lion’s share of the wealth; where wealth is a main determinant of power; where entrenched corruption of one sort or another is a way of life; and where the wealthiest often stand actively in the way of policies that would improve life for people in general.

As we gaze out at the popular fervor in the streets, one question to ask ourselves is this: When will it come to America? In important ways, our own country has become like one of these distant, troubled places.

Alexis de Tocqueville once described what he saw as a chief part of the peculiar genius of American society—something he called “self-interest properly understood.” The last two words were the key. Everyone possesses self-interest in a narrow sense: I want what’s good for me right now! Self-interest “properly understood” is different. It means appreciating that paying attention to everyone else’s self-interest—in other words, the common welfare—is in fact a precondition for one’s own ultimate well-being. Tocqueville was not suggesting that there was anything noble or idealistic about this outlook—in fact, he was suggesting the opposite. It was a mark of American pragmatism. Those canny Americans understood a basic fact: looking out for the other guy isn’t just good for the soul—it’s good for business.

The top 1 percent have the best houses, the best educations, the best doctors, and the best lifestyles, but there is one thing that money doesn’t seem to have bought: an understanding that their fate is bound up with how the other 99 percent live. Throughout history, this is something that the top 1 percent eventually do learn. Too late.

Don't we all feel the pressure of trying to make changes or at least keep what is good among us?

Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises - some things will never change - but some things can

Don't tell me what I can and can't post here -if you can't deal with reality then I don't have time or energy for this - you keep your doggy poo in your back yard - I will keep mine in mine -this is not what we are about