What if any stance has Mike Gravel on Genetically Modified Foods (GMF's, GMO's, GMC's, etc)?
It is becoming more apparent that many abnomalities in children as well as problems with adults may (and most likely are) caused by these Genetically Modified Foods.
The instances of Autism, Ausbergers and other behavioral problems in children is dramatically on the rise (from 1 in 10,000 before 1996 to 1 in 166 in 2007 by latest figures). My son has been diagnosed with Ausbergers, although a GT student.
There are a number of neurotoxins introduced into the foods which have not been tested properly on humans in a controlled environment, according to all reports that I have found on the web.
Also, foods are _not_ labelled that they are, or contain, Genetically Modified products. The people have no way to decide for themselves.
More than 70% of U.S. corn, 90% of soy products and many other foods are GMF's. And now, since last August, we also get Cloned Cow Meat and Milk.
Are there more people going to die and/or suffer from GMF's than war?
Comments
Okay, here's my opinion on
Submitted on April 30th, 2008 by rosslOkay, here's my opinion on GMOs. I just had to say it somewhere...
I'm against them, for the most part. The fact of the matter is that they are dangerous. Everything else on Earth has coevolved for billions of years, but GMOs are newly introduced, sometimes with little basis in the current ecological world. This means that they will have unknown "side effects," which is just a bit too risky for me.
However, they can be very useful in some cases. So I'm not 100% on them.
I don't want to speak for Gravel again, but...
Submitted on April 29th, 2008 by DebbieKatI'm sure his answer to most of these questions is going to be: "Pass the NI4D". When WE THE PEOPLE have the power to be a part of the legislative process, we can put it on the ballot. There are SO many things I would start creating initiatives for: from restoring fairness in the media to allowing us to freely use alternative medicines/therapies to ensuring that our food is adequately labeled (including country of origin)... SO much work to do. Clearly congress isn't getting the job done by itself.
Gravel is against GMOs
Submitted on April 29th, 2008 by RipplesAccording to this list on the issues.
http://www.politicalbase.com/people/mike-gravel/2632/issues/
There are some extensive lists on the web of foods that do and do not contain GMOs, but the most dependable way to avoid them is to buy what is labeled Organic. By definition Organic does not have GMOs.
There are many ways GMOs affect us that we don't know, but we do at least know they impair the immune system. There is speculatation lately that a disease called Morgellons (which is still called "delusional parasitosis" by most docs), where colored or clear fibers, and even tiny insects are seen exiting the skin, is one result of GMOs. Under a microscope the fibers have been shown to be cellulose, which is plant material. This has been known for awhile, now. But the logic of this odd disease being a result of consuming gene-spliced plant products is apparently finally dawning on some.
Foods with excitotoxins like MSG and Aspartame are hard to avoid. But they've been shown to cause neurological impairment, sometimes resulting in MS symptoms, and in the case of aspartame, brain tumors. There's an excellent documentary on this subject called Sweet Misery, which has interviews with Russell Blaylock who wrote the book Excitotoxins. Some people in the film who had been diagnosed with MS gave up aspartame and saw their symptoms go away!
Autism has of course been connected with mercury used as a preservative in vaccines, but there are additional ways to be contaminated by mercury. And Lyme Disease now has also been shown to be one of the causes of symptoms of autism.
http://www.lymeinducedautism.com/
LD is an epidemic that the Centers for Disease Control is certainly trying to silence, by claiming it can't become chronic. Interestingly, the symptoms of Lyme and Mercury poisoning are very similar. I was only tested for and diagnosed with Lyme after decades of suffering when I went to a holistic dentist to get my mercury fillings removed.
Mainstream medicine is, and never was any help with these issues! I take Natural Cellular Defense (a zeolite chelator) to eliminate metals, and do a Salt/C Protocol (among other things) to kill the Lyme. The bug is so tough, and so smart, it becomes resistant to every antibiotic. It could hardly be simpler or cheaper to fill capsules with sea salt and take them with Vitamin C to kill Lyme and the many other bugs it co-exists with, but it really packs a punch. It is also NOT table salt, I must add, which is another toxic "food" product. Table salt has had over 80 minerals removed (for industrial use) and caking agents that contain aluminum added. It is bad for you. Sea salt is not.
This topic comes full circle...
Submitted on February 5th, 2008 by DawnIt certainly opens up a proverbial can of worms...
carolynbaker.net/site/content/view/310
Patience
Submitted on February 9th, 2008 by arpidoodleWell, here we are again, -
the military industrial complex has the same attitude towards consumers as it does it's soldiers - we are expendable.
The subject of expendability came up at work from an unlikely source the other day, - I am more and more surprised at how those we might think won't react to these issues are troubled by them.
And are responding to them.
And not because of elections - but because these topics are permeating every level of existence.
I know a farmer 5 kilometers from here - in rural Ontario, who was sued by Monsanto when their GM seeds were carried by wind and grew in his field.. This is called 'voluntary growth', and even though the growth was extremely limited he paid $40,000 to Monsanto for not removing the plants in question.
Talk about military industrial complex permeating every level of existence!
Short of going head to head in direct competition with them (and remember - in 'free' enterprise that is the ultimate answer) - we have to take what they dish out. Period. From fighting through to farming, everyone is being victimized by what has risen from this society.
Money is the key. That's just the way it is.
Solution?
The solution reminds me of a conversation I had when trying to teach a word processing program to a person who continually disregarded a command entry, and who kept repeating - 'There is something wrong with this program, it doesn't work'. Finally, in exasperation I said to her - 'you can't fix the problem if you refuse to see it"
When enough people see the 'problem' something will be done about it. Til then it looks like it's going to grow. Hilary 'winning' California should give some indication of where peoples' heads are at.
Patience.
Folks don't realize just how corrupt them DLC is
Submitted on February 5th, 2008 by jflFolks don't realize just how corrupt the DLC is. Ralph Nader said it and it's as true, more true, today as when he first said it : there's not a dime's worth of difference between the "two" parties.
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Times have changed. We are going to empower the American people. Let’s work together. I am tough. I’m not afraid. None of this politics as usual. Mike Gravel
Agriculture
Submitted on September 26th, 2007 by devrieAgricultural advances are sickening. I just took a class called "Global Environmental Change," and learned about administrative policies regarding the subsidies and all about the millions of ways agriculture is bad for the environment (when done the way that it is). Most of what is done is done to promote capital gain, not to benefit the consumer.
We could end world hunger; decrease environmental emmissions; increase economic flow for small organic or environmentally sound farmers.
If any of this stuff bothers anyone you know, let them know that Biden would make it worse, not that he's a real contender.
Even the production of ethanol would be far worse for the environment and for our pockets then what they say; almost worse then just using regular petrol products.
Agricultural policy reform would be a huge boost to the way things are going in our world.
(Sorry this is somewhat off topic).
Well anyway, my current class is "War and the American Society." I'll get off my environmental rant, somewhat, and jump on this topic soon enough.
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Be the change you wish to see in the world.
http://mikegravel2008.blogspot.com/
This is an important topic
Submitted on September 24th, 2007 by DawnGood question, ClydeCoulter. I'd like to do some reading up on this subject too, as it affects us all. May I ask what websites you recommend?
Some web sites on GMF's
Submitted on September 25th, 2007 by ClydeCoulterDawn,
These are a few, but if you do a search on Genetically Modified Foods/Crops/Organisms and also on Monsanto you will find lot's of information on the net. Monsanto is also using their lawsuits against farmers to finish destroying many small farmers. There is a lawsuit (I believe scheduled for Jan 2008) against Monsanto to keep their modified crops from harming organic famers crops (through pollenation and other means of infiltration).
http://www.cropchoice.com/leadstry66f7.html?recid=1736
http://www.biovision2020.org/
These two sites will give you a good start, but it's get scary as you read more and more.
My cats won't even eat most human food anymore, just starting in the past 6 months. Now, it used to be that pioneers would watch what animals eat to tell what they should eat (if they did not know the plant life of that area). So, what does that tell me, when my animals won't eat the food that I do (they won't even drink the milk lately)? And there are reports on the web that farmers cows won't eat the corn silage from GM corn (And I know that cows love corn silage, I feed it to milk cows when I was young).
Scary indeed!
Submitted on September 25th, 2007 by DawnWow. Where do I even start? I stopped drinking cow's milk about 3 years ago and switched to soy. Now I find out that I didn't really do myself as big a favor as I had thought. Clyde, I also have experience feeding the dairy cows as a kid and it is alarming that they refuse the GM corn silas. It is considered a tasty treat to their species. Betsy used to love it! Just a side note to all the lifelong city dwellers out there-- In case you are ever lost in the woods and start watching animals to see what they eat; Don't be fooled by the deer, they really enjoy poison ivy! This is from the Center for Food Safety:
"The haphazard and negligent agency regulation of biotechnology has been a disaster for consumers and the environment. Unsuspecting consumers by the tens of millions are being allowed to purchase and consume unlabeled genetically engineered foods, despite a finding by FDA scientists that these foods could pose serious risks. And new genetically engineered crops are being approved by federal agencies despite admissions that they will contaminate native and conventional plants and pose other significant new environmental threats. In short, there has been a complete abdication of any responsible legislative or regulatory oversight of genetically engineered foods. Clearly, now is a critical time to challenge the government's negligence in managing the human health and environmental threats from biotechnology.
CFS seeks to halt the approval, commercialization or release of any new genetically engineered crops until they have been thoroughly tested and found safe for human health and the environment. CFS maintains that any foods that already contain genetically engineered ingredients must be clearly labeled. Additionally, CFS advocates the containment and reduction of existing genetically engineered crops."
http://www.centerforfoodsafety.org/geneticall2.cfm
In reference to soy milk
Submitted on September 26th, 2007 by DawnOne of the scary websites Clyde referred me to (thanks again) said that 90% of our soybeans contain neurotoxins, novel proteins and allergens. What an eye-opener!
If you look at Monsanto
Submitted on September 26th, 2007 by jflIf you look at Monsanto you discover that these particularly piggish and unimaginative people are using the "miracle of biotechnology" chiefly to breed resistance to poisonous chemicals into the staple farm crops... so that they can sell more and more herbicide and pesticide to farmers for application to our soil! For mother earth belongs to all of us, especially at the scale of modern industrial farming in the US!
Greed and destructive self-interest quickly become the driving factors in a laissez-faire economy. Regulation of commerce and industry is essential.
Pay no attention to the libertarian behind the curtain.
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Times have changed. We are going to empower the American people. Let’s work together. I am tough. I’m not afraid. None of this politics as usual. Mike GravelPlease, stay out of business
Submitted on September 27th, 2007 by DaFatalGigabytePlease, stay out of business until it starts hurting people. When it does start, apply only Justice accordingly.
Food labels shouldn't have to show ingredients and stuff like that. Businesses should just realize that when they provide more information, they'll get more consumers. A private group could start a study and list genetically modified foods. Spread the list out to people!
Now if food actually damages someone's body that is an offense.
That's a Libertarian or Centrist approach and to say that we need more government is appalling.
Get your politics right buddy.
Libertarian is Democratic Conservative, a Constitutionalist who also likes the Bill of Rights.
Republican is an Aristocratic Conservative, someone who wishes government to stay out(Conservative) for Aristocratic purposes.
Neo-con is an oxymoron because "neo" has come to mean "liberal", or wishing for more government to change society. Aristocratic and Democratic define motive of why someone wishes for more or less government. The correct word is then Aristocratic Liberal being someone who wishes for more government to help his/her business and make inequality amongst him/herself and everyone else.
The biggest problem is found by looking at motive. Aristocracy is bad. Democracy is fine.
This game is called 'Devil's Advocate'
Submitted on September 28th, 2007 by DawnWhat dfg is doing here is playing devil's advocate, taking an opposing point of view for the sake of debate. Great, we need all points of view in order to make a good decision on any subject. That said, I'll take the bait and respond to the part of the comment that has something to do with the topic.
"Food labels shouldn't have to show ingredients and stuff like that" If I offered you a can of food without any label at all and told you that it was your only choice would you truly be happy with that? Even though it could be anything in that can from dog food contaminated with plastic byproducts to corn that is impervious to Round-up and may cause health problems? Hmm.. I think I'd want to know what it was before chowing down.
"Businesses should just realize that when they provide more information, they'll get more consumers" From what I've seen, Big Business will do just about anything to increase profits, including LIE to their consumers. (in this case by omission) I'm sure there are a lot of things biotechnology giant Monsanto would not want you to know about. An example: farmers in India growing Monsanto cotton are committing suicide at an alarming rate. http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_7152.cfm Unfortunately we live in a world where businesses don't do what they "should" do--especially if it would hurt the bottom line. Government regulation is necessary because these businesses will not regulate themselves.
"Please, stay out of business until it starts hurting people. When it does start, apply only Justice accordingly." Justice? What's that? From whom? "Prior to being the Supreme Court Judge who put GW Bush in office, Clarence Thomas was Monsanto's lawyer" http://www.organicconsumers.org/monlink.cfm#monsanto take a look at the left side of this website page and you'll probably recognize a few more friendly faces there too!
"The biggest problem is found by looking at motive" I completely agree with this statement. Like Gravel says--Follow the money.
There is a sociopathic predeliction among some egoists
Submitted on September 28th, 2007 by jflUnfortunately we live in a world where businesses don't do what they "should" do--especially if it would hurt the bottom line. Government regulation is necessary because these businesses will not regulate themselves.
In business, especially in a publicly (anonymously) owned business, the only concern is the bottom line. If your competitor uses slave labor then you are at a "competitive disadvantage" if you pay for labor. If your competitor dumps waste in the river next to his plant then you are at a competitive disadvantage if you don't. And so on and so forth.
Regulation of the competitive environment is the sine qua non of capitalism.
All this talk of the "invisible hand" taking care of anything but the bottom line is worse than absurd, it is the justification for a world wherein life is nasty, brutish, and short.
There is a sociopathic predilection among some egoists to try to set their own solipsism at the center of human existence, but the idea is absurd on its face. Look at language, the medium through which we are carrying on this ridiculous argument. It is the product of a society of individuals working cooperatively together, it is what defines us as human, what makes us capable of creating the societies whose art and science beckons us forward, keeps us from despair at the depths of depravity to which our individual greed can drag us down.
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Times have changed. We are going to empower the American people. Let’s work together. I am tough. I’m not afraid. None of this politics as usual. Mike GravelKudos, jfl
Submitted on February 5th, 2008 by DawnI see that you have done some research..."If your competitor dumps waste in the river next to his plant then you are at a competitive disadvantage if you don't." As far as Big Business goes be they biotechnology giants like Monsanto or the pulp and paper industry in Maine I will never give up the fight.
We have eyes, but they are cloudy
Submitted on September 28th, 2007 by ClydeCoulterOur society is getting so bad with the lingo that we can tell what is what.
We have so many names for the various shades of Red that we can't tell that pink is just light red any more.
If I hold a knife out in front of me and run through a crowd, then I am liable for damages (period)!
And that has nothing to do with politics, bigger government or other terms.
We keep seeing people hurt for the sake of a buck, but the cost of hurting people is not always properly applied in favor of those that get hurt.
thanks
Submitted on September 25th, 2007 by DawnThank you for bringing this up for discussion!
Introvert coming out of closet?
Submitted on September 26th, 2007 by ClydeCoulterI have never been much of an activist, have been more of an introvert. I study the bible, do woodworking, play and build guitars, write computer programs, grow gardens, plant trees, and talk to friends and strangers about how we should treat one another.
But, lately, I have been getting on forums and researching lots of topics. Who is God and Jesus, is Jesus real, what is happening in the world, who am I in all of this. Why do I live in a place where I can eat and drink and play while others are suffering?
The world looks like it is going down the drain, and fast. It looks to me like darkness is quickly taking over where at least partly sunny days had abounded.
I used to work for a corporation as a Principle Systems Architect. I quit that job about 4 years ago and moved to the country. I stopped programming, I crawled into a hole you could say for the last four years. I had become discouraged with people and what they were capable of doing for money (stock options). How they would hurt others to get what they could. I saw so much of this and was a victim of the politics of it myself so many times that I gave up. I quit. I stopped caring enough to continue to try to shine a light among them.
Now, I try to open my eyes again, and see if I can find something good, and I don't find it. Instead, I find more of the corruption and guile towards one another. I find that lies for gain are more precious than honesty and truth.
It makes me want to leave this world alltogether. What am I leaving behind for my children? Even their FOOD has been corrupted.
What can be done that is good for a man/woman to do? Who can be trusted? (my own friend of many years turned on me for stock options, and I forgave him and trusted him again and again, and again and again was turned on).
I sound like a baby crying after his rattler has been stolen, but that is not the case (or maybe it is). But I have given my life to God and have sought all my life to do what he says. I have turned the other cheek and will continue to do so. I have done without so that I can serve. I have picked up the hitchhicker and given him my coat, while my family screams at me not to endanger my life. I have seen Gods hand on me protecting my life when I was in danger, over and over. I have felt the angel of God remove me from the path of a car. But why? What does He want from me? Why, when there was a curse on my family that the firstborn son should die at the age of 24 did all 3 other of my cousins suffer that fate at the ages of 24, except me (I am 52 now)?
Is this Mike Gravel honest and trustworthy? Can he really make a difference for good? Is he really different than all the others? Can he, as president, make a difference when his powers, as president, are limited and he would need congress to pass certain things?
I'm not that knowlegeable about government. Can't congress block most of what he would try to get through?
You have my word, Clyde
Submitted on September 26th, 2007 by DawnGravel is the epitome of all that is honest and trustworthy. He can really make a difference for good just like each and every one of us can, in our own small but powerful ways. It sounds like you know a thing or two about making a difference yourself. As far as Congress goes, Gravel wants to empower us as lawmakers using the National Initiative for Democracy. http://www.nationalinitiative.us/ I don't give my word lightly, Clyde, and I do not pledge my loyalty and support to just any candidate. This guy is real.
Good feedback
Submitted on September 26th, 2007 by ClydeCoulterThanks Dawn,
This is the feedback I"m looking for.
I am looking into the National Initiative at the link you gave me. I don't understand yet how 50,000,000 votes gets it passed, but I'll look into more.
I also want to understand how it works. Maybe I have a tendency of digging too deep before commitment, but I really hate taking medicine just to cover-up the symptoms for a while.
Let me know if I can help with the digging...
Submitted on September 26th, 2007 by DawnHi Clyde! You are welcome, anytime. I unplug my tv and computer from Summer Solstice to Labor day to keep from spending too much time in a virtual world when I should be playing in the woods--so I've had a lot of catching up to do in the last couple of weeks. I started with the Gravel 2008 Youtube videos and found them to be really helpful. Good luck with recharging your batteries, I know exactly what you meant. Dawn
It makes me want to leave this world all together.
Submitted on September 26th, 2007 by jflIt makes me want to leave this world all together.
Don't worry. You will. We all will. No need to hurry things along.
If you and I disappeared today it would not make much difference to the fate of the world. Our personal suffering is wholly interior, nearly completely irrelevant.
So stop suffering. Enjoy life as you should. Work for the betterment of the world... but for the betterment of yourself primarily. Each one of us has the ability to make a difference in his or her life, only.
It is collectively that societal change comes about, and "collectively" means recursively, through a summation of the changes within each individual.
That's my story and I'm tryin' to stick to it.
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Times have changed. We are going to empower the American people. Let’s work together. I am tough. I’m not afraid. None of this politics as usual. Mike GravelMaking a difference
Submitted on September 26th, 2007 by ClydeCoulterIf I can only make a difference in my life only, then what is the purpose, especially if my life has little if any effect on the world?
Each person touches another, and that touch causes one of 3 things, pain, pleasure or thought (or a combination of those).
Much of the encounters cause pain. One can grow from that, like building muscles against the weight.
Some encounters cause pleasure. We can get pleasure from evil or good. Good can recharge a persons battery.
Sometimes an encouter causes thought. A new idea or a new way of perceiving something.
It might not seem as though our encounters make much difference to others. But consider your own memories. How much have your encounters effected you, and then your encounters effected others (sine they are like us) and how did you previous encounters effect the feel of your touch to someone else.
Is this not what Mike's throwing the rock in the pond represents?
I say that I am ready to leave this world, but it is because I am tired. I need my batteries recharged but I have not found a charger in a long time.
I believe that I made a difference when I stood up to those who would pass the hard problems down to those who were not getting stock options. In one meeting, they said "we'll just do it this easy patching way, and let others figure it out later, after all, we will be caching in our stock options and living the good life soon". But I repremanded them saying "How is that we have received stock options to do good work, but you want to leave the hard work to those who have received only their normal pay, is that right?". I was not in the highest position in the meeting. I know I made them feel bad (pain) but hopefully it provided some thought for at least some of them.
And I have been touched, sometimes painfully, but gained growth from it when it provoked thought within me. I think it's called chastisement.
When I want to build something, like a guitar. I first conceive what I want the result to be. What is the final outcome and details of its structure, finish and sound. Then I gather all the materials, conceive of the jigs (fixtures to accomplish certain cuts or shapes), make each part, assemble, sand, finish and adjust.
That is happening to some among mankind also.
I see that Mike had made a difference, did he not, in the past when in office?
What I'm trying to do is decide whether to join to help elect him. Can I help make a good difference?
I do have some concerns. If there were cooperative voting from the people to make decisions, are there enough decent people to make decent decisions? How long before this country would be divided? I think there may have been a time that this could have worked. But is that time now? I see this country headed for a revolution in the very near future. Can it be peacefully prevented?
I agree that a drastic change in leadership has to be made for any chance of good change in the direction that this country is headed. But the weight of the rock that is falling is too great for less than a cooperation of a large body of sane, caring, thoughtful, and resourceful people to engage it.
what is the purpose
Submitted on September 26th, 2007 by jflIf I can only make a difference in my life only, then what is the purpose, especially if my life has little if any effect on the world?
There is no purpose other than the one you devise. I thought you sounded suicidal, so I offered my two bits, but I can see now that you well out of the cradle and endlessly rocking so I'll leave you to your own devices.
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Times have changed. We are going to empower the American people. Let’s work together. I am tough. I’m not afraid. None of this politics as usual. Mike GravelHi everyone
Submitted on September 26th, 2007 by KerriAnnIs this Mike Gravel honest and trustworthy? Can he really make a difference for good? Is he really different than all the others? Can he, as president, make a difference when his powers, as president, are limited and he would need congress to pass certain things?
I'm not that knowlegeable about government. Can't congress block most of what he would try to get through?
I don't think congress or anyone else there would let something like the national initiative get by... There is too much power in other places that would not want something like that to happen.
By the way- Hi DAD!
Initiative
Submitted on September 27th, 2007 by ClydeCoulterKerri,
Take a look at the Democracy Act, Section 3.F Qualification.
The Electoral Trust has a lot of Power in 1) & 2) and in 3) the legislative body can use machine-gun tactics (too many initiatives being handled chronologically (per begining of section 3)). Am I missing something?
Hi back at you
Submitted on September 27th, 2007 by ClydeCoulterHi Kerri, Gald to see you here :)
Have you understood this 50,000,000 votes to change our constitution? I have yet to look into it much. Mom and Josh are going to bed soon, so I'll get to start investigations (say goodnight to the grandkids out there for me:)
By the way, Kerri, here's the link: http://ni4d.us/index.htm
Welcome, Kerri!
Submitted on September 27th, 2007 by DawnI love to see the Gravel Ripple in action!